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Our sister fatima says that she has to take a medicine and that medicine has gelatin in it and so she is confused is gelatin in medicinal tablets permissible standard question we always get asked it so today inshallah we will answer this question in an academic what is gelatin gelatin is a type of protein it is derived from animal tissue it is a form of collagen and it has properties that makes it useful for various foods and medicines of them is.
That it can be very easily made relatively tasteless and odorless and it has a protective layer so it can be made to basically put medicine inside it and you have the gelatin capsule outside of it right so it's odorless and tasteless and you're preserving the stuff inside of it or you can add sweet and make the gelatin itself into a sweet think of jell-o jell-o is exactly gelatin that's what gelatin is right jello is nothing but gelatin so that that material which is you know just enough permeable and whatnot to.
Enjoy to eat gummy stuff and you put some sweet in it to sugar so gelatin can put give texture to a food it can protect the food inside of it it's something that can be very useful in many different types of food and that is why we find it in so many different food products now where does gelatin come from there are four primary sources of gelatin number one animals number two fish number three plants and number four synthetically produced okay these are the four primary sources of gelatin now we.
Are talking about the first one if if gelatin comes from fish it is highlight for us if gelatin comes from plants it is halal if gelatin is synthetically manufactured in a laboratory it is halal however don't quote me but like 80 to 90 percent of the gelatin the world comes from the first category which is animals you do not find gelatin from plants except with great great great difficulty those that are strict vegans and they will not take gelatin from animals they will somehow when they manufacture their pills they will.
Go to the gelatin from plants and therefore the price is gonna be jacked up cause it's more difficult etc so that's very rare to find gelatin from fish is also very rare because I mean come on fish bone seriously it's not easy to do right so some types of gelatin comes from fish and typically when it does it will also have the label on there but are very rare as for synthetically produced gelatin as far as I know as far as I know you will not find it in any food.
Product because to produce synthetic gelatin is like 50 times more expensive than to just extract it from animals so why would anybody produce it in a lab nobody produces it in a lab and then puts it in a food product it costs too much so the default when you pick up a product and it says gelatin where is it from what's the default animals ignore the other three categories unless it sets so if it says and I've seen this with my own eyes gelatin in brackets plant-derived if you find this.
On the product 100% Halle and generally when the corporation is using plant gelatin it will want to tell you why because as advertising to the to the vegans okay so we are now talking about gelatin that is animal derived and that is the default now obviously obviously now gelatin is derived typically from the meat and the joints and sometimes even the skin of the animals obviously if you're going to use animals that have been slaughtered according to the laws of its lab so the animal itself is thought hit and it.
Is there behind what what not obviously if you make gelatin from those bones gelatin is Helen okay Nihad II is one step away from gelatin this he look neha d nihari is one step away from gelatin and it is 100% halal okay so when are you invite your next make your next Neha di have to come and make sure it is hot out for you as well make sure you invite me for that so obviously when the bones are halal what you produce from the bones is Helen but when you.
Go to the marketplace or they using the Baqarah from idul adha know they're using ware which animal do they use most conceal pig why do they use pig the most it's the cheapest for them and also by the way the most gelatin comes from those bones as well by there was two reasons first pigs are cheap for them easy there and then number two the amount of gelatin they extract from that quantity is more from pigs than from other animals so the default when you see gelatin in the Western world.
Is that it is not just coming from a animal it is coming from the one animal that you don't want it to come from which is Quincy now I know that some Muslim countries produce gelatin and if it's a Muslim country producing gelatin the assumption should be the gelatine is hellah because it we do not expect any Muslim country to produce from franzine they were going to be producing it from cows and whatnot and we assume it is hella but we are worried about now the non Muslim lands that we.
Live in so we say the most of the gelatin that comes from the substances that we purchase on our shops here in this part of the world it is actually coming straight from the most nudges animal and that is the pig so with that that was all the introduction now we get to the big issue and this is an issue that I want all of us to know it's a simple rule of fit does something that is nudges become bahir when it changes this is the question or does it always.
Remain not just if the source of something is not just will it always be nudges or when it changes it will cease to be nudges and we can now say that it is law it is now pure the Arabic term for this the filthy term for this is Estella is the hala and all of you without exception know the root of this word because you say it all the time la hawla wala quwata illa billah howl means hallelujah means what state change state st allah to change from one hole to.
Another to change from one state to another this is what is the hala means it is the technical term that the books of filth use about changing substances and products and this is a classical topic of Islam you will find discussed in all the med hubs and the question is does sta Allah make the neji's tire that's the question okay and you will find and this is and it's an interesting point because actually inshallah our minds will think about this in early Islam what I call classical Islam the majority of.
The medicine scholars said no it does not and it is the standard position of the shaft fairy school and it is the Mortimer that he accepted of the humbly school and it is the well known also in the Maliki school as well that something which is neji's will always remain niches however the Hanafi school marshal at sabbatical ah there were the forward thinkers here and they said it's the challah renders nudges into fire something that was nudges one it undergoes a.
Core Ruling and Evidence — 8:05
Transformation completely it ceases to be nudges and it becomes star here ok and and I'm gonna be very explicit here it's pan Allah I hope this doesn't also the 10-second clips and then the refutation I want to be conscious of them all the time subhanAllah our classical scholars with utmost respect to them were also human beings and their fatwas and the rulings and understandings are based upon the knowledge that they knew the fact of the matter anybody who knows the most basic knowledge of modern chemistry cannot possibly hold the majority.
Position anymore why because everything keeps on changing the atoms in in us would have been not just at one point in time they're gonna be nudges another point in time change is a part of nature and we all are recycling our atoms and what was not just becomes fired what was thought it becomes not just what we eat goes out comes in fire goes out nudges right and what goes out nudges decomposes and fertilizes and comes out by heat again with utmost respect and this is not meant I would the.
Villa to make fun of you if were the classical scholars of Islam please don't read and we would not be here without the classical and yes even the medieval scholars of Islam is not a disorder be less just a fact the scholars are human beings and they just thought that something that is not is gonna remain there just forever we love them we respect them but we now have knowledge of chemistry knowledge a basic physics knowledge that they did not have something that is nyjah's when it changes and decomposes and.
Completely scum something else it is no longer the original and it is no longer energies it becomes tired we eat that which comes from the neji's it becomes foil even physically we understand this we can take urine and in the similar simple distillation in the most basic laboratory extract pure water from urine can we not do this now right pure the purest in fact many cities of the world their drinking water is recycled water you did not know this okay this is well known now he's gonna Google which city and.
Never go there right some of the largest cities in the world their tap water which they drink is the nudges that has been recycled and everybody understands it's completely legit right and again this shows us my dear brothers and sisters is not our we're not making fun of any minutes its knowledge you build on what the pastures is not come on walk away we thank you for all that you've done now we take your contribution we now benefit with what we know we move forward that's what knowledge is when we.
Do so we're not trying to criticize the past we're simply saying we thank you for your services we now need to move on nobody can ever claim that is T holla doesn't change Nature Center thought this is now the default position of every modern scholar of our times and every council of filth across the globe even the Shaffer councils v I've changed their madam and they say it's the Haida renders the head into no sorry nudge assent to thaw it is that clear right now and this is the position of.
All the scholars of modern times regardless of what the classical said because it's common sense and chemistry proves this now we firmly believe this by the way the evidence has many many evidences of them is vinegar vinegar is an evidence because what is vinegar many of us Muslims have no clue what vinegar is when you find out you're shocked you're like his vinegar how long that's the next question no our prophet system came home ideas and Behati and he said to Ayesha that is there anything to dip the bread in.
You condiment is anything and she said we only have vinegar and he said give me the vinegar and he dipped the bread in vinegar and he said what a great condiment near man Adamo alcohol what a great condiment is vinegar vinegar is a great thing to dip your bread and you know subzi type of stuff simple thing you dip your bread into eaten he ate vinegar vinegar is completely allowed by not as unanimous consensus what is vinegar all Muslims do you have every any idea what vinegar is you would know.
What is vinegar it is hammer that has gone through the entire fermentation process you cannot get vinegar without an intermediary of actual hammer why all Muslims who Masha Allah Muhammad Allah may Allah keep us blissfully innocent we should keep this blissful innocence why do they cork alcohol why is alcohol always blocked we don't want any air in it they don't want to me rephrase that they don't want any air in it why because if you uncork the alcohol and you leave it be what happens it becomes vinegar that's what vinegar.
Is vinegar is fermented alcohol right now the majority of men have say that alcohol is niches whether it is or not is a separate issue I will talk about that one day but that's the position they have and the majority of men have all the met have say all the met have say that that vinegar is thought it you understand was just happened here it's dahana its Tejada the majority of metaball format have say that alcohol is nature's Hummer is nature's and all the meth have say vinegar is the head.
What just happened is de hala this shows us another example that is given as this is the issue of skin leather our process and passed by a sheer hadith is inner Buddha and the sheep was dead it wasn't that I had died so of course nobody's gonna eat the Sheep the process of said why don't you why don't you take the skin and use the news leather get the leather from the dead animal and they said Yaris ruler it's mater it's a dead animal is nudges and our professor Salim said.
Tanning the animal purifies the skin tanning sorry tanning the skin so I purifies it tanning the skin purifies it now the skin if you take it filthy wet whatnot this is not just correct yeah now you're gonna tan it which means you go through a chemical process you put it in the Sun you do this tonight you completely change it it's a complete transformation it was not just now it is Tahoe so this is the evidence in the Sharia that clearly indicates esta hala does make the niches into law if.
We are all understanding this point right okay final big section then we are done now that I proven is T Allah is indeed legitimate in transforming Natasa into Tahara the question we need to ask ourselves is the following is the extraction process for gelatin a valid esta Halle or not this is the question we agree that it's the holidays nudges into tire agreed has gelatin undergone a sufficient esta Halle is this a filthy question or a chemical question who can tell me chemical question so believe it or not based on.
What answer a chemist will give the II will have a different answer you understand this point here once again we are seeing different specializations coming into play this place and if you google is gelatin halal without understanding this also that I've taught you do all this all soon without understanding the so soon and you quote me 10 ulema seven of them or six of them will say gelatin is neji's three or four will say gelatin is allowed and you go look.
Practical Guidance and Caveats — 15:32
Up those three or four who say gelatin is halal and they will say so based upon the understanding that esta hala has a curd in gelatin in fact there is no disagreement amongst all the 10 about the O soul the disagreement is in chemistry not in fact believe it or not so who should we ask a fatty or a chemist for this issue we need the chemist I'm a chemical engineering by the way ok I have a minor in chemistry as true I do actually it's all gone by the way.
It's all completely gone but who should we ask the Fatima or the chemist in this case we need to ask the chemist we need to ask the chemist has a genuine transformation occurred in the extraction process of gelatin with my utmost respect to our focal ha once we have proven that is T Allah is good and it is we now need to find out whether is T Allah has occurred and this is not the job of our folk aha they will not tell us if history has occurred in gelatin and.
In the extraction process this is the chemists job to tell us we go to the chemists I have been to over a dozen specialists even though inshallah I am NOT to giant in chemistry and I've done my own research and I'm own position which is the same I have personally asked over a dozen specialists including PhDs in chemistry and biochemistry including people that have specialized in collagen and in proteins and I have found them unanimously to tell me the exact same thing as I concluded with my very basic knowledge of.
Chemistry and that is what do you think mashallah and you want the easy position before I answer you let me tell you this and when I tell you this you'll know my answer you can produce gelatin in your kitchen it's very very very simple you can literally Google how to produce gelatin in your kitchen and you can take the bones put them in water boil them scrape a little bit right take the bones out you know make the water evaporate do this and that and that is basically your gelatin what.
Do you think I'm heading with this it is not a process that radically changes the structure it is simply transferring that collagen from the bones of the animal into a substance that you can use for your food it's a very very very basic surface level it's not even fractional distillation level if you know your chemistry and whatnot it's very basic level and that is why and one of my friends that I spoke with us about this and he was very passionate and he was writing a paper for a filthy Journal.
He's a PhD in biochemistry but he's writing a paper about its Diala of gelatin actually and he said just show me any gelatinous structure and I will tell you with basic microscopes that I have whether it comes from a pig or a horse or a cow just by looking at the structure from the microscope that's how little change has occurred that I can just look at and I'll tell you where it's from and in my own research in this issue I think it is very clear that it's tejada of course.
Changes in the jaw so to Tahara yes we agree but gelatin does not undergo a process of St Halle gelatin does not undergo that process you simply take the protein material from the bones of the pig and you transfer it into that candy or into that jello or into that pill that you are using for your medicine and therefore it retains its Nagisa the verdict will be that it retains the natasa okay therefore and by the way this is the position of the magical islami and i will always try to.
Quote you merge my calculus now because i have said many many times out of the modern councils of the world it is the largest and earliest and most respected modern council it meets in Makkah Robert and Adam it is now he founded it and it's one that represents almost all of the dominant schools of modern Islam and geographic geographies and over 100 order man move to Tucker with money all of these great alum are part of this much mindfulness Tommy oh I see any council of filth and they have their.
Car or their their decree which is in front of me here issue October 31st 1998 about the issue of gelatin and it's in Arabic and I simply say that it is allowed to use gelatin if it is extracted from halal sources that are slaughtered according to the sources of Islam and it is not allowed to use gelatin that comes from Haram sources like pig and the bones and the skin of pigs and of the fatwa this is the fatwa of majima - Islamic and Robert and Makkah where pretty much all.
The scholars that were there they basically said gelatin does not go St Hana it doesn't count as a stay challah that having been said our sisters question was about medicine so we say if the medicine is needed to sustain a reasonable level of life it's not some beauty product and there's no alternative to conditions then this is not aura if either of these two conditions is not met if you're taking something for beauty it's not something that's needed from quality of life without it you're gonna suffer or not suffer that's.
Me it's not a matter of life and death by the way gelatin is not that that was a matter of look you cannot breathe normally your blood pressures are gonna go out something of this nature where the quality of your life will be markedly different and you have a product here that has gelatin in it right and inside of it is your your medicine if you can find a halal alternative for a price that you can afford then you should go to that head alternative and I humbly say most medicines.
Will have a halal alternative as far as I know most medicines will have Halong alternatives do the research okay I even know of a case where the doctor said to him for this particular medicine you don't really need the capsule you can open the capsule put it into water then drink the one that make sure you go to the doctor don't come to me go to your doctors right again yeah people of Islam don't ask scholars questions that they're not qualified to answer a scholar is a human being a scholar.
Is also bias the scholar has his own view I cannot give you stock options I cannot give you you know if and you know you go to me for what I know and you go to the specialist for what they know so if you have an alternative excellent if not ask your doctor what not ok this medicine can is it allowed for me to put in another substance without taking the capsule and insha'Allah this would be the ideal thing if you're not able to there's no substitute and the doctor says.
No this has to go intact into your stomach whatever in this case la yukallifu allahu nafsan illa wus aha' and you are allowed to take this medication if there is no alternative and with that inshallah Jana we come to the conclusion of today's halahala tomorrow we will have our lecture with Salaam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh